Ronnie came in for 15 minutes and tore it up. We said, “Mate, why don’t you get some lager and lime, some shepherd’s pie, and take an hour-and-a-half and relax a little bit.” So he did, and we called Ronnie Verrell, a jazz drummer. I remember once we were in the studio with George Martin, and Ringo had taken three hours for a four-bar thing he was trying to fix on a song. Paul was the worst bass player I ever heard. That they were the worst musicians in the world. What were your first impressions of the Beatles? You know, I met Paul McCartney when he was 21. Rock ain’t nothing but a white version of rhythm and blues, motherfucker. What’d you think when you first heard rock music? The cats on my records were the baddest cats in the world and Hendrix didn’t want to play with them. Toots was one of the greatest soloists that ever fucking lived. He was nervous to play with Toots Thielemans, Herbie Hancock, Hubert Laws, Roland Kirk - those are some scary motherfuckers. He was supposed to play on my album and he chickened out. Wasn’t Hendrix supposed to play on Gula Matari? But who knew what Woodstock would turn out to be? Jimi Hendrix was out there fucking up the national anthem. Elon Musk keeps trying to get me to go to Burning Man. Like with Woodstock, Tito Puente told me he wanted to go out to that gig. Really? The Charlie Parker concert with Mingus and those guys? Jazz Legend Sonny Rollins on Retiring From Playing and His Legacy I’ve heard this theory before, that the mob helped win Illinois for Kennedy in 1960. Joe Kennedy - he was a bad man - he came to Frank to have him talk to Giancana about getting votes.
The connection was there between Sinatra and the Mafia and Kennedy. What’s something you wish you didn’t know? This is something else I shouldn’t be talking about. It’s because there’s a side of her - when you keep secrets, they backfire. Why is there still such visceral dislike of them? What are other people not seeing in Hillary, for example, that you see? You just mentioned the Clintons, who are friends of yours. I was around the White House for eight years with the Clintons, and I’d learn about how much influence Big Pharma has. Big Pharma making Ox圜ontin and all that shit is a serious thing. Yes, but at the end Michael’s problem was Propofol, and that problem affects everyone - doesn’t matter if you’re famous. It’s such a strange juxtaposition - how Michael’s music was so joyous, but his life just seems sadder and more odd as time goes by.
You mean with the way he looked? He had a problem with his looks because his father told him he was ugly and abused him. How much were his problems wrapped up with fame?
He’d always justify it and say it was because of some disease he had. I used to kill him about the plastic surgery, man. What about outside of music? What’s misunderstood about Michael? Michael should’ve given him 10 percent of the song. “Don’t Stop ’Til You Get Enough” - Greg Phillinganes wrote the c section. “ State of Independence ” and “Billie Jean. I hate to get into this publicly, but Michael stole a lot of stuff. What’s something people don’t understand about him? You worked with Michael Jackson more than anyone he wasn’t related to. “The experiences I’ve had!” he says, shaking his head in wonder. Even when his words are harsh, he says them with an enveloping charm, frequently leaning over for fist bumps and to tap me on the knee. He name-drops, he scolds, he praises, and he tells (and retells) stories about his very famous friends. Currently in the midst of an extended victory lap ahead of his turning 85 in March - a Netflix documentary and a CBS special hosted by Oprah Winfrey are on the horizon - Jones, dressed in a loose sweater, dark slacks, and a jaunty scarf, talks like he has nothing to lose.
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